Heath Robinson Vertical Garden Racks: Part 2
Heath Robinson Vertical Garden Racks Archived from the HG420 Forums 12th April 2007, 05:06 AM
And a pic showing the used nutrients dropping down to the next level; this pic was taken at the opening into the system:
The nutrients return from all the system, all the guttering is connected, and the, red tank is a sump res with a pump fitted with a float; when the level in the res triggers the float, the pump comes on and empties this res into a 45-gallon drum, I did this to allow the vertical to sit as low as possible to the ground.
2 AKxOmisty I hand watered to test the pot angle:
V3 seedlings in pots:
1st May 2007, 05:59 AM
I have a separate 210 L barrel which has a 7000L per hour pump in it; a
simple segment timer controls this to come on three times a day for 15 mins; this pump supplies the dripper
lines. So when this pump is on, the drippers start up, and the nutrient drops through the pot into the
guttering, which in turn goes to the res.
This res also has a pump, but this one is rated at 4000L; it has a float switch on it (sump
pump) so when the level in the res reaches a predetermined height set by the float, the pump
switches on and empties the res into the 210 L barrel, so it’s quite simple in operation although
I have probably made it difficult!
Yes, you would love it, no problems so far. It’s been running itself.
Yes, the ak x o misty tends to show preflowers early and flowers early, probably due to both
parents showing the same traits! I look forward to running quite a few of my crosses
through this system to see how they perform. And there are 84 plants in total in the system.
I forgot to get the pump details for you, but I promise I will at the next update; if I had
been running drippers instead of open lines, it wouldn’t have been a problem, but the feed
pipes are unrestricted. There is quite a lot of flow.
I made this system so I could quickly move the pots around; I thought this would be vital, seeing as I am growing from seed. All I have to do to move a pot is pull out the feed pipe, and
I don’t think roots growing out of the pot will be a problem if you look at the latest pics of
In the two largest plants, which are well into flower, there is hardly any root growth out of the
I didn’t realize you were such a word, smith! Lol, nice to see you looking in.
Hi Scott & Stackin,
There are 84 pots in total, so it gives me a nice amount of seeds I can grow in one go.
10×3 = 30 on the back row 30
6×3 = 18 on on each side 36
3×3 = 9 on the side where the entrance is 18
for a total of 84 plant sites.
Good to have you here at the start! Next time I renew the nutrients, I will try to get some better
pics of the res and the 210 L drum supplying the system. I tried to explain how
it works in the post to Kilo.
[email protected], let’s hope it turns from a DIY thread into a nice grow thread; keep your fingers
crossed for me!
Cheers TokenZen; neither can I, lol.
Hi Mr. P,
There are 17 cuttings, including the two big ones, and the rest are (edit says to
self what a thick twat I am) seedlings. And just for you, here is the latest pic.
And the seedlings at different stages of growth:
And the two cuttings I hand watered to test the system:
16th May 2007, 05:08 AM
To answer your later question about favoring the NLx over the CMx, the honest answer is I
I haven’t grown out enough of the CMx to know for sure, but that will change shortly as I am
starting 20 seeds tomorrow under 12/12 lighting, and they will be going in as soon as they
I prefer to leave the bulbs bare; I have done quite a lot of testing with the cool tubes compared
to bare bulbs and the minimal benefit of being able to place the plants approx 4inch closer
isn’t outweighed by the light loss created by the glass in the tube. If you hang a naked bulb
you would be surprised how close a plant can grow to it without burning, as most of the heat
is convected upwards.
You are not wrong. The growth is excellent. I hope it’s not too great! some of them are already
getting to the height I would like them to finish at.
I don’t talk dirty to them, but they get the next best thing, music from a radio tuned into
Virgin!. I set this system up with ease of use in mind; I only visit the grow once a week, so I
need it to be reliable, and as you have observed, the pots are easy to move around.
You won’t see any record-breaking regarding yield as this rig is primarily to test seeds.
But if I get fed up with growing seeds, I will fill her with clones and see how she does.
The strange thing is I am already thinking about constructing a different vertical; I think I
may have a problem!! Lol.
Neither can I, RadChad,
Thanks for stopping by.
Nice one, Moggs. I hope you post up a thread of it.
Thanks, Mr. Ghoul,
Things should get interesting soon as they get too tall, burn on the bulbs, crowd each other
out etc., lol.
Ok, here is an update from Sunday, sorry I haven’t posted up before now, but I have been a bit
Seedlings at various stages:
24th May 2007, 06:04 AM
Scott,Jetson,killacheeba,FOE,kopite,sysprog,db805 and bongzilla420, thanks for calling
in its great to see so many of you interested in vertical growing
When I make up any extensive dripper system, I try to equal the pressure throughout the
system. I do this by making a “ring main” so the drippers are, in effect, fed from two
directions. On this particular grow, the tees supplying the ring main from the pump are in
effect upside down. This means that the ring fills, ensuring equal pressure on each run.
Try to stay clear of flow controllers if you can, as they tend to be unreliable; if the stress from
your pump reduces for whatever reason, e.g., a slightly blocked filter, then the flow-controlled
drippers tend to stop.
The CMxG13/W has a heavier yielder but is a bit more prone to bud rot also up to press the
V3 has been better quality, but as mentioned before, I haven’t run equal numbers of
so it’s not a fair comparison.
Good air exchange is often the key to successful grow; it seems to be a low priority for
many growers, but if you take the time to get it right, it will reward you with lower temps,
healthier, faster-growing plants, and increased yield.
I didn’t realize you were using Co2; if I were you, I would stop using it and ventilate
your room correctly. When you get to the point where you cannot improve your yield because
everything is as perfect as you can get it, then it’s time to use Co2. !f you have used it before, you are
wasting your time.
Holidays were great, m8. I’m off again at the end of next month! Lol.
You have got it to spot on fredster; the idea is to juggle the plants around at different
stages of growth so they receive the maximum available light at all stages. After I took
the latest pics, I did just that, but I couldn’t be bothered to take any more pics, so it will have to
wait until next time.
I have been toying with the idea of doing a tree grows with the Hydrovator/Multiflow because
I believe if I made up four large buckets and filled them with hydroton, I could grow some nice
trees, I would only have to make a larger control bucket.
You probably have some thoughts on this, but I am also toying with the idea of hanging my
adjusted wing shades vertically on the outside of the plants with the usual bare vertical bulb in
the center. My reasoning behind this is I have always thought I am wasting light on the outer
bulbs which are near the walls, whereas if I use a big spread reflector, I might deliver more
light to the trees. Let me know what you think.
I am doing a little juggling act with the nutrients to keep the flowering plants and seedlings
happy! I am feeding 75% flower 25% grow. It seems to be working very well up to the press.
Yes, I hand watered the original two on the same nutrient mix as I am running now to test that
it would work.
When I first started growing indoors, vertical lamps with a small parabolic reflector were all
you could buy, so when you hear of people claiming to have “invented” the concept, they are
taking the mick (whoops, showing my age now! lol). To answer your question, no, it wouldn’t
hurt, but the light output from either end of the bulb is very poor indeed, and only huge
footprint parabolics are of any use as they catch some light further away from the bulb.
I use 600w hps Sylvania Growlux bulbs, I have tried many other makes, but I have settled on
these; I consider them the best. I don’t have too much waste to get rid of, the pebbles are
reusable, and the plants are either chopped and turned into mulch or burned.
The internal area is 4 ft x 6ft, and the light is slightly above the center. This is for when the
largest plants are placed in the bottom row.
Ok, update time, things are going well, and the system is budding up nicely; after I took these
pics, I sorted out the pots, so next time I update, the taller plants will be on the bottom row.
Cuttings are approx four weeks into 12/12.
Seed plants are grown 12/12 from seed: